Hey buddy, long long time huh? I was put out there with kids coming off drugs and had been in gangs. And I will admit if anyone deserved to be at a place for troubled youth it was me. With over 1.5 miles of fishable riffles, runs, and pools, the spring creek is a classic trout stream offering great dry fly, nymphing and even streamer water. You know it doesnt make you Look Smart, right? please email me at ms.stephanielhudson@yahoo.com I will tell you everything i rememeber. Kids were beat as punishment, chased down when they ran and forced to sleep outside on the ground no matter the weather, homeschooled for the sole reason that the teachers didnt think they deserved to even talk to other kids seeing as even during the classes at the home if any of the boys were caught talking the had to get on the ground and do push-ups until the class was over and if they fell or stopped they were given chores which usually consisted of cleaning the vehicles of the teachers, taking care of the home-owners animals or even making a dinner that they then had to sit out on. Showers sucked as well. This is utterly ridiculous nonsensical logic. The deed to the ranch, a vital part of the larger Matador Cattle Company, says Koch, but to J.D., it's the only home he knows. If anyone remembers me hit me up id live to chat jameshanson42@gmail.com. I do not have a single complaint about Spring Creek Lodge to this day and its unfortunate that many of you have a different story to tell. Redfin has 44 photos of Nhn Nevada Spring Creek Rnch. My brother had been sent to Casa by the Sea 2001-2003 so I knew what was happening right away. I was in Destiny family. MLS #. Curious that he wrote a book and actually admits to being a wwasp employee. I was there September 06 to summe of 07 and was pulled. I am looking for anyone who was at SCL in 2005. There was a Dan Birman and he had a twin brotherdidnt one of them run away or try to escape from Brightway? My brother and I were there in 1998 to 1999. Needless to say, he gave Steve hell! Cliff fucking hated me for that. That place haunts me everyday and every night, and I suffer from PTSD thanks to that hell hole. There is a good population of Ring-necked pheasant for the avid upland bird hunter, as well as a resident Whitetail deer herd that is capable of producing true trophy bucks in the 130-180 class. I think they took my shoes for a month.i remember they would wake us up in the middle of the night and make us go sit on the basketball court for however long with barley any clothes. I have so many stories from what went on there but not enough time or space here lol. If you talked in line it was a T.O.S. Yeah I soent time in jail..but thats what woke me up! And Matt from Alaska. I never even made it to level 3 I didnt want it. WINTER FUCKING IN MONTANA! At that point i stop caring cause i was about to go home anyway. Horror stories from the incoming junior staff from Samoaone guy said they locked him a trunk and floated him at sea, then threw rocks at the trunk while he was inside of it. He was at Spring creek from when he was 16-18 years old. That still haunts me that maybe if I was there I could have prevented it. During that hour Cameron and someone else came in the bathroom looking for me and there was a person in one of the stalls a couple doors down from mine lol. This place was a bloody joke, love is how you show guidence and parenting. When i went i was 17 so i only had a year to do. One of the customers overheard us and said there is a girl about 1 mile up near the storage sheds on the right and there are two guys talking to her. I hope he hires a lawyer soon. I have ptsd, severe anxiety, insomnia, intermittent explosive disorder andb severe depression and i believe its all from there. Remarks: This Montana property borders BLM land and a large ranch with a small spring creek tu. I dont know if anyone still checks this site but if so, please let me know if you were in Charity in 2005. And all of that sounds pretty bad. I was in Spring Creek Community. When it was more like an experiment on kids.All the mind screwing and torture that we went through. I want to know where she is and that she is ok. As soon as my parents came up for one of the seminars, they were like I think even your little rep person Ms Kathy is spun out of her mind. My job on day shift was family parent. Sooo, how can you be a parent if you do not have a relationship with your family. That was one of the MANY rules that I broke:) I was horrified. While Cameron and his brother got rich off of gullible parents that dont know what to do with there kids. So good to see this page is still active and I, like many others still think about that time in Montana. I was scared to talk about it till I was in my 30s. Nick I was there the same time. Money trap, most definetely. Memoir: Thompson Falls Montana but its true. The girls mother also sued them for wrongful death and neglect. The spring creek program was a joke for sure but I say there are some people and effects we would not have known if it werent for that horrific experience. Took a minute but finally made it across the river next was a big ass cliff of rocks that elevated the river bank from the train tracks. The variety of ranch properties for sale in Montana fulfill every outdoor-loving whim. I was in and out of worksheets daily and spent countless hours nights days and weeks in the hobit. The Missoulian ran week after week of stories about these boarding schools in Thompson Falls and around Montana but as an outsider, you read things but do not comprehend the actual reality of the situation. They put us through seminars that were some weird brain washing bullshit. lately I have been finding a lot of these comments about the old wwasp programs and I find it great that we can all now come back in to touch with people from this time!!! Bullrun Spring Creek Ranch - Hall and Hall When I first arrived it felt like military walking around heel toe not being able to talk or even look at certain people. I couldnt see through the mirror tint on the front door so went in. My name is danny I was the big guy that got sent there after military school. Its called parenting its what you signed up for when you had kids. Hopefully they have since realized what a grave mistake they made and have tried to make amends, and hopefully youve been able to find it in your troubled, eternally scarred hearts to forgive them. Luxury service is provided with genuine warmth and hospitality. it ruined years of my life just by being a part of the pain, distance, etc my boyfriend went through. Kootenai Springs Ranch - Hall and Hall Anyways Ive ranted enough. I was at SCLA from 03-04 and I never once saw a kid get injured who didnt run/fight staff me ever to get restrained. I think it was Randy and his brother who had us do grass drills in the rain, running around the basketball court until some kids fell on the ground from being exhausted. Sale Average: 98 Yearling Bulls Average $6,069 Sale Highlights: Lot 25 $12,500 to McFarland Livestock, Lemhi, ID; SD Dually 2112; 1/21/22; DL Dually x Jindra Acclaim. The seminars helped release all of that pent up anger. i was looking for ashley in particular, who was there at the same time, in a different family and was kicked out and sent to Idaho with me. Mike the counselor got punched in the face while I was there. I stole a sharp kitchen knife for protection. Yep just had a nightmare I was there again woke up feeling sick and not wanting to go back to sleep. Lot 1 $11,500 to LBS Angus, Fortuna, ND; SD Ashland 2047; 1/16/22; GAR Ashland x SD Final Answer 5081 Lot 3 $10,000 to Nelson Spring Creek Ranch, Livingston, MT; Also, notice how she directs all her insults to you as in, she never was one of us Sounds to me this is nothing more than another industry troll trying to justify the abuse they profited from. That candy bar on store day gave me something to work hard for. I think Sky View Christian Academy was open for maybe 5 years?.. He was my bunk mate upstairs in Grizzly. I understand that being given level 5 may have seemed like such a dope reward for hardly having to work for it but looking back on it now I just think what a joke the whole moving up thing was. What the hell is going on here??? I hope you feel the same. The nearest commercial airport is in the town of Butte, which is within a 1-hour drive from the ranch. I am glad that Spring Creek closed. I am wondering if anyone knew my brother, Kareem Rahman. I was transported to Distant Drums in Nephi, UT and spent about 6 weeks there. Not only do you get to live in a luxurious Tell us how to reach you and we'll get back in touch. Being bodyslammed, fucked with, or otherwise attacked or abused is never okay regardless of what behavior the CHILD may be demonstrating. Its jail you pay for. http://wwaspsurvivors.com/youth-foundation-success-academy-youth-foundation-inc/. 3226-3228A Rowena Ave, Durham, NC 27703. Danny and Gabe, Back in the days of Spring Creek Community there were less than 100 kids and maybe 6 or 7 cabins at the site of the school with one central lodge. On a side note, in that place the duality of man became very apparent. Coach of the soccer team lol got to go to games in town etc. The young, free spirited, charismatic kid that came there never got to go back home. Choose from over 20 fabled blue ribbon rivers that we target. Straight shooter and solid guy. During our P.E. I am doing my own research for background on a possible article. Im not gonna say it was the worst time of my life, but it was after all I did learn some stuff I used today, How to read people, use the word manipulation!!!! I had a perfect Program in the Honor cabin and beyond in the upper level from 04-06. Its the Weirdest Thing I have Ever Seen. I was with Karley when we got in trouble while cleaning the guest cabin. I remember worksheets. Mr. Dave was good people. During the program, I remember being told of Wwasps sterling success rate. I do remember a lot of negative things about that place, starting with abuse at Brightway in Utah. When were you there? I hope that Montana is more caring of these youth than Utah has been. not a moment to soon. Finally I somehow stuffed my shit together in the pack and finally they helped me after my pack fell apart because I packed it one handed. Big Spring Creek Ranch, Lewistown, MT, 59457 - LoopNet Propped the magnetic door locks they had, broke the door wide open & ran for my life. And eventually to Jamaica. When our parents did come into town, the staff put on quite a good show and meal. As I said. I was on level 2 the whole 13 months until chain saw me walking in administration and was like youve been here a long time what level are you on? WTF a boy of 16 with his sex drive in high gear being called a sex addict for kissing a girl. Damn that was a long ass run through a dark ass forest Didnt make it down the hill until sun started coming up. No worksheet, just a wooden cubicle to waste away in while a junior staff crunches on Cheetos and tells you to not turn around in your seat. Then I backed out and drove back up the road without the lights on the whole way, then made the left onto SCC dirt road, parked the van and smoked til mid morning when the cops grabbed myself and 1 or 2 others.didnt say a thing, so they dumped me in the woods for 16 days with less shit than they sent me out on survival with until 2 monsters scooped me up without a word, stuffed me in a truck, then a plane and dumped me off at Provowhere I stayed until April 24 1992 ~ anybody out there I might remember? I remember not getting propper shoes or even my shoe laces during winter cause of a prior wilderness program i was in they claimed i could run n survive in the woods. Its all part of the experience and sadly, a lot of teens didnt have the chance to experience any of it. There was an emergency button we could push to get out of our cabin. We use cookies to analyze website traffic and optimize your website experience. All rights reserved. My mom NEVER questioned staff or even questioned my behavior as a sign of desperation to speak to her and she signed me on for the wilderness. Montana. Idk if anybody ever looks at this anymore, as 20 years in the past comes and goes. Spring Creek Campground - VisitMT.com I truly feel that the abuse and neglect allegations were kids writing their mommies trying to get them to bring theme home. Im john. screservations@itstriangle.com, 257 Main Boulder Road, Big Timber, MT 59011. Anyways he could of just walked out of there technically but we shared a bunk and we just waited until the night staff that always falls asleep was there and the staff that was the leader of our cabin (jay bird) I feel so bad because he was the nicest out of all the staff. Poor Miss Keely, I will never forget her. The only question I got an answer too was what happens to Brandy now? They had just opened Spring Creek Lodge in Montana. This marine wiuld loveeeeee to meet up with colby. It is now 2013 and I have been incarcerated in federal prison since early 2007, ironically for felony possession of a fire arm. This place was hell. Thank you, He was from the East Coast somewhere like North Carolina. After I sent her there things began to calm down at our home and I realized how broken our family was and made big changes at home. If you were there with me or know anyone from that time; staff or student, contact me. We were simply cut off from our life, our families/friends, our world. They would work everyone into a frenzy with some hypothetical horror show and play that song and have someone come around and nance around everyone in some contrived attempt to elicit some false sense of security and happiness within the program. i do not know your husband and i didnt went too this place but i had a similar experience elsewhere in europe when i was a teen. We who were there knowand it will never go away. Its a great place with great people that are here to help As I said that I looked right in the eyes of the older lady. Redeem available rewards of your choice. I grew somewhat accustomed to the monotony, floating through the same day over and over and over again. The bridge is just west of Noxon and takes the tracks to the north side of the river. I was buddies with Chris & Stewart (Pissy & Pooey affectionately) Wasnt too friendly with Dan Barnhart but was with his girlfriend Amy (sp) Ulmansek and I could name a few more if you want. And thats what they would do. I have to say is Staff that Shit, I was in Orange County boy from California, you do the math, as a say in the program I hate myself Now people are doing the seminars out here, I heard that Rapper Earl sweatshirt went to the Samoa Program, crazy!! And I will end with this. I got to come home because I graduated HS, and that was my mothers only concern. Located in the upper Blackfoot Valley near the gateway into the Bob Marshall Wilde. Hi, I was in Serenity 2001-2003 as well. That Im too old to go, but still end up there. What is this facility? Julie: Montana Fly Fishing Trip | Guides and Lodging | Nelson's Guides & Flies He is almost 32 years old and is just now starting to talk about what happened at Spring Creek, which is why I am just now doing research on what others experiences were at this facility. I was like most taken in the middle of the night from my bed in western washington over to Montana. if so i remember when they moved him.. Anon, Undated I would be Dead or in Prison had I not Undergone the Change that SCL is Soley Responsible for. These were tough places to get kicked out of for sure. Hence the name 5mo because I had 5 more years till I was 18 and no one saw me graduating. I remember jeff. There is currently no conservation easement on this property, offering a great opportunity for preservation while also receiving a tax benefit. These folks eventually kicked me out, wanna know where they sent me? There is no wrong or right only what works This phrase still haunts me to this day. Learn about the locale i hope i contributed to the worst family reputationhaha. There are nine lakes in the area which can be accessed by foot or via 4x4 trails. Now I find this survivor website!!!!! Zach was my friendand I was sad to hear he passed away of a heroin overdose. Listing provided by TMLS. Hugged, laughed and cried. Maybe youve heard of those schools where they pick you up in the middle of the night and you disappear. My married name is lori kinder. Know when to ask questions know when to back off, know when to be a friend, know when to parent. She was defeated and tired. Gave what I could. Smile and nodfuck em later on. Advice I took to heart and am still trying to finish the latter half of. It would be priceless to talk to those whom understand. Spring Creek Ranch My name is Scott Swayze and I was in Spring Creek Lodge from 1996 until October 1998. Staring into space is categorized as either looking-at-boys or planning to escape. Im not trying to condemn anyone. I feel so lonely in these memories and trauma and talking to someone who went through it might help. He died in 2011 and I still think so much about what he went through and if he would maybe be alive if he never went there to begin with. When I arrived i saw brainwashed kids everywhere I looked. I dont blame wwasps directly for some actions taken by wayward former students, but you would think that if these programs were successful in any way, someone whos parents were dropping hundreds of thousands a year on their kids mental health would be at least somewhat stable.